Green Space Conqueror repair

[Roboloco]

Hello everybody! I have a green space conqueror and already spent like 9 hours straight ( just today) and can’t solve the problem, I just can’t make him do the loud  ratatata sound, when he lifts his arms. I noticed that behind the red carton at the front, that covers the mechanism, at the ground of the gearbox, there is as little piece of tin that attaches to the gearbox sides with 2 tabs and holds a little piece of tempered metal with a rivet.  That tempered metal piece is broken in mine… and of course is the pice to do the big ratatata sound, but I’m confused when thinking how to bend it, or in what direction or how many times should I fold it when doing a new one, because if you create a new piece, which I did, and leave it straight up, with a 90 degrees angle, it will make a continuous sound, not even that loud, and would be wrong, because it should only do the ratatata sound when lifting the arms and not while walking…

Has anyone ever saw that piece of tempered metal Still intact in a green conqueror? Or know how it works? It would help me a loooot!! Help!!

Greetings to everyone!!

Roboloco

[Hymie]

I just finished repairing my blue SC today, and in the process I actually broke the end of the gunfire tang off trying to bend it out to make it "thump" louder. Luckily, I recently purchased a mini spot welder and was easily able to tack a piece of nickeled tin to the original tang. That was after some serious surgery to get its arms lifting again. It now works perfectly (and the rat-a-tat is loud and clear). I'm not sure I understand exactly what has happened to yours. If you could post a picture, I'll give you the benefit of what I've learned this week working on mine (which may or may not apply to your issue).

[Roboloco]

Thank you for the help, I attached some pictures, let me know what you think! 

[MetalRobotHead]

Interesting and needs some thought, if I am understanding the photos correctly,  would it be possible to remove the apparently broken piece of springy steel and bolt a donor piece in place and try different angles so it engages with the rotating gear correctly  , by the way do you have a photo of how the vertical radar rod is driven?

 

[Hymie]

Well, I'm frankly amazed at how different the guts of your green SC seem to be from my blue one. I'm sure there's an interesting manufacturer cross-pollination story there. To the extent that my experience is applicable to your situation, I have attached two pictures: The first is of the spring-steel "drumstick" before I broke the off the angled contact tip trying to bend it, and the second is my ugly but successful repair (it took me a few tries to get the power right on my spot welder -- you'll see I even blew a hole in the thin steel on one attempt). I simply cut a piece of nickel-plated tin, bent it to mimic the original tang, and then sistered it together with the remans of the original. While, as I said, the workings of your SC seem to be markedly different from mine, it looks like you could do the same thing. Or you could do the job more professionally and find a strip of spring steel (perhaps even out of a "donor" junker toy) and replace the entire tang. Looks like you could remove the original, slide the new (probably modified) tang into place and solder it securely on the fixed end. My two cents...

[Roboloco]

Yes they are so different, the blue has a more simple mechanism. This one is a killer… the piece of spring yo see in the pictures is a new one that I cut and bent. Fortunately I had a wind up toy with the exact same width. But the problem for me know is how the sound is on and off, in the straight position shown in the pictures, the sound goes on and on nonstop…. So im

thinking may be the spring sound piece should be bent to the front touching some other part like the tin plate that slides left and right during operation… don't know, hope I discover the functionality soon, half of the line of my ass is gone…

[Roboloco]

17 hours ago, MetalRobotHead said:

Interesting and needs some thought, if I am understanding the photos correctly,  would it be possible to remove the apparently broken piece of springy steel and bolt a donor piece in place and try different angles so it engages with the rotating gear correctly  , by the way do you have a photo of how the vertical radar rod is driven?

 

 

[Roboloco]

Just now, Roboloco said:

 

The piece of spring is new added by me…

the problem is how to make the sound go on and off, shooting and walking…

[Hymie]

Gotcha. Well, as you no doubt know, the rat-a-tat in the blue version is regulated by a horizontal spring that slides the "agitator" toward the "hammer" as the gun swings up, and away from the hammer as the gun swings down. No doubt there is a corresponding mechanism in your green version, but your drive setup is so different (and so much more complex) that understanding how the blue one works is of little value.

[Roboloco]

29 minutes ago, Roboloco said:

 

 

[Roboloco]

Just now, Roboloco said:

 

The little dish to see at the end of the rod, turns by its own weight, over the pinion below, in edible but true!

[MetalRobotHead]

5 hours ago, Roboloco said:

The little dish to see at the end of the rod, turns by its own weight, over the pinion below

Thank you Juan for the extra photos showing the antenna drive, I saw in an old post some years ago showing what appeared to be the same sort of drive and found it very strange it was just friction that created the turning motion, your photos now confirm it. many thanks

Regarding the ratatat noise, is there a two speed gear arrangement such as seen in the Horikawa robots that alternatively cause the walking then rotating actions or as found in the red and blue Space Conqueror causing the walking, then arm lifting with noise, I can't see the two speed gears in the photos provided and it does look like the piece of spring steel is permanently engaged, very odd. I feel your pain

[MetalRobotHead]

Found this old YouTube video, just in case it is of interest.

 

[Roboloco]

14 hours ago, MetalRobotHead said:

Thank you Juan for the extra photos showing the antenna drive, I saw in an old post some years ago showing what appeared to be the same sort of drive and found it very strange it was just friction that created the turning motion, your photos now confirm it. many thanks

Regarding the ratatat noise, is there a two speed gear arrangement such as seen in the Horikawa robots that alternatively cause the walking then rotating actions or as found in the red and blue Space Conqueror causing the walking, then arm lifting with noise, I can't see the two speed gears in the photos provided and it does look like the piece of spring steel is permanently engaged, very odd. I feel your pain

Thanks agin for your help, I think it was me the one  who posted the photos, and since then the green robot was still dismantle in a box till Now that I de died to put him together, plus he’s in very good shape!! There is a two speed gear or what I believe it’s a two speed gear,; when at home I will

Make a video of the robot

working so we can see it clearly, 

later!

J

[Roboloco]

Going nuts! But I’m closer!